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Three Fascism Experts on Why They’re Leaving the US

At the end of March, I posted some news about three prominent scholars of fascism and authoritarianism who were leaving the United States to live and work in Canada. In this video for the NY Times, We Study Fascism, and We’re Leaving the U.S., Marci Shore, Timothy Snyder, and Jason Stanley explain their reasons for going. Here’s some of what they had to say:

I’m leaving to the University of Toronto because I want to do my work without the fear that I will be punished for my words.

The lesson of 1933 is you get out sooner rather than later.

My colleagues and friends, they were walking around and saying, “We have checks and balances. So let’s inhale, checks and balances, exhale, checks and balances.” And I thought my God, we’re like people on the Titanic saying our ship can’t sink. We’ve got the best ship. We’ve got the strongest ship. We’ve got the biggest ship. Our ship can’t sink. And what you know is a historian is that there is no such thing as a ship that can’t sink.

I want Americans to realize that this is a democratic emergency.

Toni Morrison warned us: “The descent into a final solution is not a jump. It’s one step. And then another. And then another.” We are seeing those steps accelerated right now.

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Jason KottkeMOD

Rebecca Solnit on the frankly ridiculous charge that Shore, Snyder, and Stanley are cowardly abandoning the United States.

It seems likely these three scholars will stay with their commitments to teach about, write about, and speak critically about authoritarianism, including the version trying to crush democracy in this country. Because something quite striking happened to them since 2016, especially to Snyder and Stanley: they went from being academics known to a few to highly visible figures making an impact on public life here. Meanwhile, quite a lot of people who remain in the United States, including some of the people taking these potshots, are doing, if you'll pardon my swerve into academic jargon, pretty much fuck-all to fight fascism. These critics seem to think simply being in the USA is enough or that sticking around until you're actively persecuted is a moral obligation (even though the record shows that in too many cases it was too late to leave by that time). Or that taking potshots at allies is activism.

Not everyone can leave on the terms that these academics did, but that's not a reason why no one should, anymore than the fact that not everyone can afford a home or a dentist means that no one should have one. Optional suffering is often confused with solidarity; it's not, and taking care of yourself so you can take care of the larger realms is foundational to being a sustained and sustainable activist.

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Jason KottkeMOD

Another historian whose work is focused on democracy and authoritarianism has left the US. Thomas Zimmer and his family moved from Washington DC.

At some point in the spring, after another round of deranged insults and online threats from MAGA plus Rubio explicitly declaring that constitutional protections no longer applied to non-citizens who caused a "ruckus," I remember thinking: This is simply not tenable anymore โ€” what am I doing here?

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